CNET Reviews Samsung`s PN50C8000

[Aaron Ledger]

Original Article Link

He may end up taking the VT25 lower if/when the MLL rises like he did for the Panasonics last year. I don’t think anyone can go wrong with the C8000 or the VT25 though.

[Matt]

Looking at AVS it seems the Samsung plasmas continue to have a pretty widespread buzzing problem, which is really off putting 🙁 Because the C7000 and C8000 series seem like pretty compelling options otherwise.

[Aaron Ledger]

My C8000 does buzz like all plasmas, but it is only audible if I put my ear up to the glass. It is inaudible a foot away.

[Andrew Van Til]

[quote=”Matt”]
Looking at AVS it seems the Samsung plasmas continue to have a pretty widespread buzzing problem, which is really off putting 🙁 Because the C7000 and C8000 series seem like pretty compelling options otherwise.
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VT25s buzz too. 

[Matt]

Yeah I mean all plasmas buzz a little bit, I’ve never noticed my 2008 Panny buzz really. But it seems Sammy has a long history of noticable from the couch level of buzz.

[Andrew Van Til]

[quote=”swoon”]

He may end up taking the VT25 lower if/when the MLL rises like he did for the Panasonics last year. I don’t think anyone can go wrong with the C8000 or the VT25 though.
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CNET just posted an [url=http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20018722-1.html]update[/url] on VT25’s MLL.

[autoboy]

Good to know that the black levels are still good on the Panny.  But, I’m really not happy with knowing that my 2009 model will continue to get worse.  Still, I don’t expect it to get much worse than Samsung’s 0.017

[Aaron Ledger]

[quote=”autoboy”]
Good to know that the black levels are still good on the Panny.  But, I’m really not happy with knowing that my 2009 model will continue to get worse.  Still, I don’t expect it to get much worse than Samsung’s 0.017
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I’m not sure where you have got that measurement from, but my C8000 measures .008 ftL with 60Hz and .011 ftL with 24Hz 4:4. Other C8000 owners have performed similar readings in the range of .007 – .009 ftL. D-nice also has said the C8000 measured in at .007 – .008 ftL at the HDTV shootout at Value Electronics.

[Andrew Van Til]

The “0.017” number is from the CNET article.

[Aaron Ledger]

[quote=”babgvant”]
The “0.017” number is from the CNET article.
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Can you point me towards the section where this number is? I can’t seem to find it when searching the article.

If that’s what he measured, I am surprised. Of course, it is surprising that PC Mag review says it has Kuro blacks as well. Perhaps there is some panel variance at play, firmware bug, phospors not aged enough, etc.

I can only report what my panel has done and that is that the mll has gone down slightly from .011 ftL to .008 ftL as the panel has aged.

[George L. Schmauch Jr.]

It’s not in the original article, but in the [url=http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20018722-1.html]update[/url] (posted 5 replies up).

[quote][b]The bottom line[/b]
Despite the near doubling of MLL on the VT25 and G20 we’ve measured so far, both still exhibit some of the best overall black level performance available on the market today. In order of “blackest” initial black, the other 2010 plasmas in our lab at press time include the Samsung PN50C7000 ([b]0.017 MLL[/b]), Samsung PN50C8000 (0.019), and LG PX950 (0.030). All of these numbers are higher (worse) than our estimated “final” MLL of either Panasonic panel.[/quote]

[Aaron Ledger]

[quote=”Skirge01″]
It’s not in the original article, but in the [url=http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20018722-1.html]update[/url] (posted 5 replies up).

[quote][b]The bottom line[/b]
Despite the near doubling of MLL on the VT25 and G20 we’ve measured so far, both still exhibit some of the best overall black level performance available on the market today. In order of “blackest” initial black, the other 2010 plasmas in our lab at press time include the Samsung PN50C7000 ([b]0.017 MLL[/b]), Samsung PN50C8000 (0.019), and LG PX950 (0.030). All of these numbers are higher (worse) than our estimated “final” MLL of either Panasonic panel.[/quote]

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Thanks.

[Andrew Van Til]

[quote=”swoon”]

If that’s what he measured, I am surprised. Of course, it is surprising that PC Mag review says it has Kuro blacks as well. Perhaps there is some panel variance at play, firmware bug, phospors not aged enough, etc.

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Might be a difference in test equipment.  My 2 cents – both are excellent panels 🙂

[Aaron Ledger]

[quote=”babgvant”]
[quote=”swoon”]

If that’s what he measured, I am surprised. Of course, it is surprising that PC Mag review says it has Kuro blacks as well. Perhaps there is some panel variance at play, firmware bug, phospors not aged enough, etc.

[/quote]

Might be a difference in test equipment.  My 2 cents – both are excellent panels 🙂
[/quote]

It’s possible, although even .008 ftL is within the spec of my meter. It is also known that the 50″ C8000 is made on a different line than the 58″/63″ sizes, so perhaps this is an explanation for the difference.

I agree that it is like splitting hairs when looking at either VT25 or C8000.

[mikinho]

@swoon, what meter do you use?

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